August 13th, 2012 minutes
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MEMBERS PRESENT: |
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Mel Lisher, Kyle Windisch, Eric Hethcoat, and Chris King
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MEMBERS ABSENT:
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Verlon Myers and Robert Heacock |
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STAFF PRESENT: |
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Phil Burke |
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PUBLIC PRESENT: |
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None |
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Minutes
Meeting was brought to order at 6:05 pm, by King. Windisch made a motion to accept the minutes of July 18th, Hethcoat seconded the motion; the motion passed unanimously.
Correspondence
No correspondence had been received since last meeting.
Unfinished Business
New Business
King asked if anything we amended regarding fire pumps would affect the use of more than one service on say a large apartment complex. Windisch responded that basically we said separate services are okay for fire pumps. Staff responded that Westar was unable to provide the service size they needed in single-phase. Hethcoat didn’t think it sounded unusual, as long as the disconnects for that service are properly labeled and grouped. King stated one of his bench marks when going to an apartment fire is to control the utilities, electric and gas. They typically go to one location to control power to a structure. The department personnel may need to be trained to look for additional sources on these larger structures and not depend on one location. Staff mentioned that the labeling would need to be descriptive, or what is considered adequate. Hethcoat outlined an example of feeding a new chiller from the existing transformer while the original service remains intact. This method will often reduce the size of the service conductors and allow them to stay out of the required ground fault protective devices on the main. King asked if everybody was okay with that. Windisch asked why they wouldn’t use three phase. Staff usually sees three phase services when they have elevator service. The designers don’t get the same individual unit reduction when using a 120/208 system and that cost may play a role as well.
The Board re-examined the exception that had been stricken in 230.72. The exception had not been examined during the last meeting, Staff observed where the general language had been voted on, but not the exception. The exception had been deleted to coincide with the exclusion of separate services for fire pumps. Hethcoat checked his current handbook and the exception is about water pumps that provide water which might be used for fire protection, but not actual fire pumps. The Board discussed the point of the exception for a period of time. Windisch didn’t see an issue with it as described. Hethcoat thought they may be describing a well pump. A change for 2011 requires if installed remotely a plaque shall be posted with the other disconnects to denote its location.
A motion was made by Hethcoat to not strike out the exception in the new code, Lisher seconded the motion; the motion passed unanimously.
The Board had been charged with the review of the first three chapters outlined in the “Analysis of Changes” book, the Board discussed changes that were noteworthy in chapter one. Windisch mentioned 110.26 (D) and thought it was a good idea. He thought it would be easy to apply on new installations, but wondered how it was enforced on existing rooms. Windisch thought with the energy code changes sometimes they make a wide sweep on changing things without giving thought to this situation. Staff didn’t think it would be an issue on electrical rooms, but could be an issue when panels are placed within an office or room with multiple uses. Windisch asked about the crimp on lugs for super stranded wire. He asked how something like that might be checked or caught on inspection. Staff didn’t think it would be very easy to catch on inspection. Windisch said the wrong ones cause connection issues down the road. Staff thought it may be specified on the plans in some particular installations, possibly solar.
Hethcoat made a motion that no changes within chapter one would require any action by the Board at this time, Windisch seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously.
Some discussion was enjoyed regarding an example of multi-wire circuits shown in the analysis. Windisch questioned 210.8; he thought this should have always been understood. Staff mentioned he has seen items block them, not always communication between installers and movers. Windisch also commented about gfci protection by sinks in health care facilities. They seem to have been installing them in Lawrence in dental and similar general care type occupancies. Some places were obviously using the exemption when they didn’t meet some of the requirements. Windisch asked about 210.12(B) in regards to extending branch circuits in AFCI required areas. Staff thought the new one was just for modifications of existing systems where you would be extending the receptacle circuit, but maybe not changing any other circuitry in the room.
Some discussion was had regarding the cost of AFCI breakers. Lisher mentioned the article on raceway seals. Staff thought it was just an expansion from where it’s required in services. King mentioned the article regarding receptacles required in accessory buildings. King wondered if this meant the type of portable buildings sold by home stores. It appears if they have power a receptacle is required. The term accessory building has a wider definition than garage.
Windisch made a motion that no changes within chapter two would require any action by the Board at this time, Hethcoat seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously.
The Board discussed changes that were noteworthy in chapter three. Hethcoat made a motion that no changes within chapter three would require any action by the Board at this time, Windisch seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously.
King assigned the next two chapters in the changes book 4 & 5. He thought three chapters took too much time to discuss. The next suggested date was September 24th in the DS offices conference room.
Adjournment
Lisher made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Windisch; motion passed unanimously and the meeting was adjourned at 8:04 pm.
Respectfully submitted,
Phil Burke, Secretary
Attendance Sheet
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4/11/12 |
6/6/12 |
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8/13/12 |
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Absent |
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Vacant |
Vacant |
Vacant |
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Eric Hethcoat |
Present |
Present |
Present |
Present |
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Chris King |
Present |
Present |
Notified Absent |
Present |
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Mel Lisher |
Present |
Present |
Present |
Present |
Present |
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Verlon Myers |
Absent |
Present |
Present |
Notified Absence |
Notified Absence |
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Kyle Windisch |
Not appointed yet. |
Present |
Present |
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Present |
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Robert Heacock |
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Present |
Vacation |
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